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Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

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Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Jason on 14th August 2012, 1:52 pm

Since the Hiatus, we haven't heard from Bernard, but Mrs. Kramer and Red came into the picture. In some respects it feels like they split Bernard between the two characters. What do you think of the two newer characters? Should they be used more or less? How do you compare them to Bernard?


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by KF on 14th August 2012, 3:07 pm

The Bernard Fan Club of the Universe is insulted by your implyment of the possibility of anyone coming near the greatness of Bernie.


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Jason on 14th August 2012, 3:42 pm

I personally think both characters should be used more. I'm curious if Mrs. Kramer will appear in other locations in Odyssey. Maybe Hillingdale? Red brings a uniqueness to the show that Bernard had too. Red tells stories in his own way, and uses figures of speech involving animals that always keep me interested.


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Post by NateMaxwell on 14th August 2012, 4:36 pm

Post-Hiatus AIO is disgraceful...Bernard all the way!


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Jason on 14th August 2012, 4:52 pm

NateMaxwell wrote:Post-Hiatus AIO is disgraceful...Bernard all the way!

Any reasoning in this? Mrs. Kramer and Red are great characters. And while I do love Bernard, I honestly think they've been doing a great job in resupplying characters since the relaunch.

(If it's possible Red should be added to the poll...It won't let me...)


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Post by Arkán Dreamwalker on 14th August 2012, 5:13 pm

Bernard was a magnificent character and Mrs. Kramer and Red are also great. Personally I enjoy all eras pretty equally.
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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by NateMaxwell on 14th August 2012, 5:38 pm

Jason wrote:
NateMaxwell wrote:Post-Hiatus AIO is disgraceful...Bernard all the way!

Any reasoning in this? Mrs. Kramer and Red are great characters. And while I do love Bernard, I honestly think they've been doing a great job in resupplying characters since the relaunch.

(If it's possible Red should be added to the poll...It won't let me...)


In fact, yes. It's not that I don't like Andre, or even the new characters (Well, Emily I do dislike greatly) it's that all of the old characters were simply tossed. I mean, we never got to get REAL closure on Grady's dad. And what about Mandy and Trent, did they just forget about that? Mrs. Kramer didn't thrill me, and Red is a lousy attempt to recreate Bernard.


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Jason on 14th August 2012, 6:01 pm

I don't really think they were trying to recreate Bernard. But they did need to fill some of the character slots. Red is still his own person, and I like him because he's borderline redneck, and has a quirky personality. It's not like he's a clone of Bernard or anything. They made Red enough of his own person that he's still Red and Bernard is still Bernard.


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Pound Foolish on 14th August 2012, 9:33 pm

If Red is indeed Bernard's incarnate, Bernard has become remarkably perky of late. He most have read some really amazing advice books. Wink Red's humor centers around his loudness and nuttiness, Bernard's is the opposite. I've also come across the idea he's a stand-in for Tom. I don't think I really need to refute that. There's a quite apparent lack of similarity, there.
However, Red is a bit like a combination of them. This is for the simple reason AIO is still revolving around the same writers and directors from the last era, and so, there's stylistic repetitions.
As to his being split apart, his hillbilly animal metaphor loving side, and his grouchy side, this too seems kind of the case. But only in the sense that, as I say, artists copy-cat themselves. They don't mean to, but they do.
I've observed the same of Rodney. His goofy likable side, his unintelligent and playful, competitive naughtiness, is in Jay. Rodney's mean, bullying side is in Vance.
We can say this is annoying and silly. Or we can accept it as a natural part of art, and enjoy the homey luxury, in this fun, strange, crazy new era of AIO, of a bit of extra continuity.
I like the latter.


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Post by Jason on 14th August 2012, 10:04 pm

Pound Foolish wrote:If Red is indeed Bernard's incarnate, Bernard has become remarkably perky of late. He most have read some really amazing advice books. Wink Red's humor centers around his loudness and nuttiness, Bernard's is the opposite. I've also come across the idea he's a stand-in for Tom. I don't think I really need to refute that. There's a quite apparent lack of similarity, there.
However, Red is a bit like a combination of them. This is for the simple reason AIO is still revolving around the same writers and directors from the last era, and so, there's stylistic repetitions.
As to his being split apart, his hillbilly animal metaphor loving side, and his grouchy side, this too seems kind of the case. But only in the sense that, as I say, artists copy-cat themselves. They don't mean to, but they do.
I've observed the same of Rodney. His goofy likable side, his unintelligent and playful, competitive naughtiness, is in Jay. Rodney's mean, bullying side is in Vance.
We can say this is annoying and silly. Or we can accept it as a natural part of art, and enjoy the homey luxury, in this fun, strange, crazy new era of AIO, of a bit of extra continuity.
I like the latter.

You're right. With the same writers that is the main reason. Had we never known Bernard or Tom there would be no comparison. Although, Odyssey has been known to do this when characters can't be on the show anymore. The same was done with Whit-Jack and Jason. It's just kinda fun seeing what people think between the three as far as who they prefer.


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Pound Foolish on 14th August 2012, 10:36 pm

Of course. Smile I wasn't disagreeing with you, just coupled of the other posters that commented.


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Post by Kaida on 15th August 2012, 3:29 pm

Like PF said, Red Hollard is pretty crazy and loud. Which really doesn't remind me of Bernard at all. Red Hollard has more of a slapstick humor. On the other hand, Bernard and Mrs. Kramer have more of a dry humor thing going on. Of course, I like Bernard way more though


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Post by CreativeThinker101 on 16th August 2012, 4:05 pm

Bernard will always be the best! I like Mrs. Kramer and Red a lot; they're both interesting and funny characters, but they haven't come close to reaching the greatness Bernard reached back in the good ol' days... yet. Maybe, in ten years, if these two characters are still around, I'll disagree with myself, but for now, Bernard RULES! (I think I've got a good idea for a fan club, don't you PF?)

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Post by Arkán Dreamwalker on 13th September 2012, 1:27 pm

Mrs. Kramer is one of my favorite new characters. The 100 Things I Hate deserved to win an Avery.


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Re: Bernard Vs Mrs. Kramer Vs Red Hollard

Post by Jason on 14th September 2012, 6:44 pm

Well, putting aside the fact that Bernard has been in so many more episodes than both of those characters, I really think they meet par with Bernard. They are easily up there in my favorite characters post 50.


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Post by whittaker96 on 16th September 2012, 1:37 am

Red Hollard hasn't really caught me with yet. He's growing on me, but he doesn't feel like Odyssey yet. Mrs. Kramer's absolutely hilarious, and I love her. I hope they flesh out her character out a bit in future albums...

and Bernard. What can you say? He's Odyssey's best character. Ever. He's hilarious and he's a strong Christian who tells great stories. We miss you, Dave Madden! I love Bernard so much that I'm requesting Focus to record in Florida so he can walk to the studio and be in every episode to make up for his absence in the relaunch. xD

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Post by GJoy on 20th September 2012, 11:40 am

Bernard was one of a kind. No one can even try to match his amazingness! Mrs. Kramer is great too.

Red is....meh.


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Post by orangie on 29th October 2012, 8:18 pm

GJoy wrote:Bernard was one of a kind. No one can even try to match his amazingness! Mrs. Kramer is great too.

Red is....meh.

That's my opinion too. I felt that they created Red to replace Tom and Bernard. They cant be replaced. I miss Tom. :(
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Post by Aftershocker on 12th November 2012, 10:24 pm

GJoy wrote:Bernard was one of a kind. No one can even try to match his amazingness! Mrs. Kramer is great too.

Red is....meh.
That's exactly how I feel.


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Post by Whittifer on 11th April 2013, 4:58 pm

No one can match Bernard's awesomeness. No one.


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Post by Thor's Hammer on 12th April 2013, 9:52 am

Both of them are great but I prefer Bernard.



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Post by Amarinda on 6th July 2013, 5:13 pm

I like Brenard and Mrs. Cramer.




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